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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Was Jesus a Pharisee?
« Last post by Phidippides on April 15, 2020, 11:42:53 AM »Next question that is an actual scholarly issue: was Jesus an Essene? See if you can answer that one.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Was Jesus a Pharisee?
« Last post by Donald Baker on April 14, 2020, 08:07:53 PM »Jesus had a very negative view of the Sanhedrin including the Pharisees. He disdained their outward religious vanity and their abhorrent hypocrisies. The Apostle Paul was a Pharisee before he converted however.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Was Jesus a Pharisee?
« Last post by Phidippides on April 07, 2020, 04:06:52 PM »I didn't realize that there was a question of whether Christ was a Pharisee. Reasons for this would be that they were centered in Christ's native Galilee, and He is also referred to as "Rabbi", which was a word which Pharisees called those within their ranks who were experts of the law.
Reasons against this come from Christ's departure from the Pharisee understanding of oral law, such as Mark 7:1-8 (in regard to purification laws adopted as oral law in the tradition of the Pharisees).
Reasons against this come from Christ's departure from the Pharisee understanding of oral law, such as Mark 7:1-8 (in regard to purification laws adopted as oral law in the tradition of the Pharisees).
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Old Testmant Jews: Monotheists or Monolotrists?
« Last post by Donald Baker on February 08, 2020, 09:07:47 AM »I suppose the fallen angels masqueraded as gods and lent their abilities to the Egyptian priests. God allowed it to demonstrate His greater ability to both angels and men.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Old Testmant Jews: Monotheists or Monolotrists?
« Last post by Phidippides on February 08, 2020, 04:01:40 AM »Ok, so what you are saying sounds like another possible explanation, assuming that angels could be perceived as "god-like". However, given the original meaning of "messenger", they would be understood to *not* be gods in the deity sense. As for the validation of other gods by the Israelites, that is a good question, but it's something I would need to investigate more. I have always thought that the story of Aaron and Moses and the staff turning into a snake in Exodus 7 was rather curious given that God allows the Egyptian priests' staffs to do the same, only to have them be devoured by the Israelite snake.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Old Testmant Jews: Monotheists or Monolotrists?
« Last post by Donald Baker on February 06, 2020, 09:19:11 PM »I think it is consistent to view the angelic hosts as "gods" with a little g. So the title of Most High God could reflect that God is above them in rank and being. Angels are immortal, extremely powerful, and vastly intelligent. In comparison to us they are "gods." God's state of perfection and limitlessness differentiates Him from them so the title of Most High fits. I don't think it refers to the gods of the Gentiles because if it did, it would seem to validate the existence of those other gods.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Old Testmant Jews: Monotheists or Monolotrists?
« Last post by Phidippides on February 04, 2020, 02:54:03 PM »I started watching a lecture series on Judaism in the time of Christ, and the presenter cites passages from Old and New Testaments which indicate the existence of other gods within the Israelite worldview, such as references to the "Most High God" (implying ranking) or references to the God of the Israelites being alone in might/power among gods. However, she also conceded that her view is not accepted by all. I thought it was interesting because I hadn't really thought about the issue before, and it might shed light on the meaning of some passages. I'll have to dig into the issue deeper.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Re: Old Testmant Jews: Monotheists or Monolotrists?
« Last post by Donald Baker on February 04, 2020, 07:43:43 AM »Good question. They did keep going after Baal and Ashtoreth. I want to think they were monotheism but their actions do muddy the waters.
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Christian Legacies Main Forum / Old Testmant Jews: Monotheists or Monolotrists?
« Last post by Phidippides on February 02, 2020, 05:36:09 PM »Did the Jews of the Old Testament believe in only one God (monotheism), or did they worship only one God while also believing in other gods (monolotry)? There are references in the OT (maybe the NT as well) which point to "other gods" (such as the First Commandment), which at the least hints at the possibility that the Jews believed in many gods, but were commanded by God to worship him alone. Anyone else heard other scholarship on this topic?
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